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That's okay that you believe that God created everything! Personally I believe that the Big Bang was created by God and everything else from then on was His plan. The molecules never stopped, the universe is forever expanding and expanding and background radiation is the echoing sounds of the aftermath of the Big Bang. The Earth is spinning on an axis yes, but it is travelling in a straight line, it is the gravitational pull of the sun that keeps it going round it. If the sun's gravity suddenly turned off, we would just fly off in a straight line! So personally I believe that God is the reason for all of that. Everything is perfectly placed and God made it so, but He did that through the Big Bang, in my opinion!
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I think it is plausible that the Earth might have been created that way but what caused the sun?
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How do you mean? Creationists believe that the sun would have been created when God said 'let there be light'. Those who believe in the big bang will believe that, like other stars, it was created through dust and gas particles (formed from a gas cloud expanding and exploding into a supernova) in space having a gravitational pull towards each other, and when they collided they started to form elements through nuclear fusion, creating hydrogen and helium at the very core of it, and it is this that the sun is burning which is why it is on fire. The denser these particles get, the stronger the gravitational pull, which is what causes us to orbit around the sun, keeping us going in a circle, despite the earth's molecules wanting to go in a straight line.
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Okay, I think I misunderstood what you said. So in theory God said let there be light and that caused the Big Bang part. But what I am thinking, if both are correct then maybe the Big Bang was slower because he didn't create Earth until the next day? Instead of what I pictured as a sudden explosion might actually be a slow expansion over days?
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Exactly yes! The Big Bang happened about 14 billion years ago (13.8 to be precise), the earth was formed about 4.5 billion years ago. The explosion happened and then the expansion happened after that slowly. So when it says God created the universe in 7 days, maybe thats in 'God years', but to us that is 2 billion years per day, if that makes sense?Mounce574 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2021, 04:11Okay, I think I misunderstood what you said. So in theory God said let there be light and that caused the Big Bang part. But what I am thinking, if both are correct then maybe the Big Bang was slower because he didn't create Earth until the next day? Instead of what I pictured as a sudden explosion might actually be a slow expansion over days?Maddie Atkinson wrote: ↑03 Mar 2021, 08:12How do you mean? Creationists believe that the sun would have been created when God said 'let there be light'. Those who believe in the big bang will believe that, like other stars, it was created through dust and gas particles (formed from a gas cloud expanding and exploding into a supernova) in space having a gravitational pull towards each other, and when they collided they started to form elements through nuclear fusion, creating hydrogen and helium at the very core of it, and it is this that the sun is burning which is why it is on fire. The denser these particles get, the stronger the gravitational pull, which is what causes us to orbit around the sun, keeping us going in a circle, despite the earth's molecules wanting to go in a straight line.
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I am not certain about the time part because I have read other books and they come up with different measurements. But that makes more sense nowMaddie Atkinson wrote: ↑04 Mar 2021, 07:54Exactly yes! The Big Bang happened about 14 billion years ago (13.8 to be precise), the earth was formed about 4.5 billion years ago. The explosion happened and then the expansion happened after that slowly. So when it says God created the universe in 7 days, maybe thats in 'God years', but to us that is 2 billion years per day, if that makes sense?Mounce574 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2021, 04:11Okay, I think I misunderstood what you said. So in theory God said let there be light and that caused the Big Bang part. But what I am thinking, if both are correct then maybe the Big Bang was slower because he didn't create Earth until the next day? Instead of what I pictured as a sudden explosion might actually be a slow expansion over days?Maddie Atkinson wrote: ↑03 Mar 2021, 08:12
How do you mean? Creationists believe that the sun would have been created when God said 'let there be light'. Those who believe in the big bang will believe that, like other stars, it was created through dust and gas particles (formed from a gas cloud expanding and exploding into a supernova) in space having a gravitational pull towards each other, and when they collided they started to form elements through nuclear fusion, creating hydrogen and helium at the very core of it, and it is this that the sun is burning which is why it is on fire. The denser these particles get, the stronger the gravitational pull, which is what causes us to orbit around the sun, keeping us going in a circle, despite the earth's molecules wanting to go in a straight line.
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well the maximum age is thought to be around 14.5 billion years but no older than that. They can only estimate, but based on the oldest light in the universe (the afterglow of the big bang - also known as cosmic microwave background) they estimate between 13.8 - 14.5 billion years!Mounce574 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2021, 13:07I am not certain about the time part because I have read other books and they come up with different measurements. But that makes more sense nowMaddie Atkinson wrote: ↑04 Mar 2021, 07:54Exactly yes! The Big Bang happened about 14 billion years ago (13.8 to be precise), the earth was formed about 4.5 billion years ago. The explosion happened and then the expansion happened after that slowly. So when it says God created the universe in 7 days, maybe thats in 'God years', but to us that is 2 billion years per day, if that makes sense?Mounce574 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2021, 04:11
Okay, I think I misunderstood what you said. So in theory God said let there be light and that caused the Big Bang part. But what I am thinking, if both are correct then maybe the Big Bang was slower because he didn't create Earth until the next day? Instead of what I pictured as a sudden explosion might actually be a slow expansion over days?
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I agree with you. Science has a lot of answers, and normally I would choose science to justify something but we can't always refer to it. That's in those cases when talking about the origins of time and space, etc.Nferdi20 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2021, 14:43 I believe that science has answers to a lot of things. However, when it comes to supernatural things such as the creation of the universe and what happened before that...... science cannot explain. Those things that science cannot explain about the origins of time and space are beyond our human understanding at this time.
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