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R.I.P. Dobby.
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I think Rowling changed Draco. He was already good at the last book. You know when he didn't tell if it truly was Harry, at the Malfoy's Mansion
I don't think he was necessarily good, although his intentions do come off as such. I interpreted as he was more of a coward when in the presence of Voldemort. When he ambiguously identified Harry, I think he was reluctant to have Voldermort there and be around him. Throughout that novel, Harry glimpses what Malfoy has been subjected to and forced to do because of Voldemort. At that point in the novel when the three of them are at the manor, I really see Malfoy as a scared little boy who's way in over his head.

I think what Rowling did there with Malfoy refusing to identify Harry straight away is to highlight the struggle between good and evil, and perhaps innocence.

Later on, he did attempt to drag Harry back to Voldermort during the last battle when Harry and his friends were retrieving the diadem. Perhaps Malfoy did have a momentarily shown weakness or goodness, but I think he did stay true to his convictions and his hatred for Harry.


I agree that Dobby's death as such a shock and incredibly sad. He was so heartwarming that it was heartbreaking to see him die saving them! Especially after everything he's been through, he deserved to live. He was just the cutest thing in the whole series. Definitely one of my most favourite character.
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If you could cast Expecto Patronum, what animal would your Patronus be?

For me it would probably be either a cat or a seahorse. :D
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Good question! I've thought about this several times and i think i would pull a Ginny and get a horse. I so badly want to say otter ( Yay Hermione!) but i dont think its true. Horse fits better. i'm okay with that..
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Lola82 wrote:Butterscotch
I think Rowling changed Draco. He was already good at the last book. You know when he didn't tell if it truly was Harry, at the Malfoy's Mansion
I don't think he was necessarily good, although his intentions do come off as such. I interpreted as he was more of a coward when in the presence of Voldemort. When he ambiguously identified Harry, I think he was reluctant to have Voldermort there and be around him. Throughout that novel, Harry glimpses what Malfoy has been subjected to and forced to do because of Voldemort. At that point in the novel when the three of them are at the manor, I really see Malfoy as a scared little boy who's way in over his head.

I think what Rowling did there with Malfoy refusing to identify Harry straight away is to highlight the struggle between good and evil, and perhaps innocence.

Later on, he did attempt to drag Harry back to Voldermort during the last battle when Harry and his friends were retrieving the diadem. Perhaps Malfoy did have a momentarily shown weakness or goodness, but I think he did stay true to his convictions and his hatred for Harry.


I agree that Dobby's death as such a shock and incredibly sad. He was so heartwarming that it was heartbreaking to see him die saving them! Especially after everything he's been through, he deserved to live. He was just the cutest thing in the whole series. Definitely one of my most favourite character.
Yes, he is scared but it is nonsensical for Draco not to identify Harry because he's afraid of Voldemort's presence. He could even get a reward for doing so.

For me, he didn't do it because he hated Voldemort more than he hated Harry. I mean look what happen to their family - the disgrace, the torture. I guess at one point in time he want Harry Potter to kill Voldemort. And he is not really evil by heart towards Harry Potter, I guess it was just driven out of jealousy or something like that.

About the diadem, I guess he chased HP because he was reminded again of Voldemort's wrath.

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^Lol...ok

What's your favorite spell/Jinx/Charm/Potion etc.?

Mine favorites are Wingardium Leviosa, Polyjuice Potion, and Sectum Sectumsempra.
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Wingardium Leviosa (For the sentimental value and pronunciation)
Avada Kedavra (It's like having a gun) :twisted: :twisted:
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Butterbescotch wrote:Wingardium Leviosa (For the sentimental value and pronunciation)
Avada Kedavra (It's like having a gun) :twisted: :twisted:
:o That is terrible!!! If I had to pick an "Unforgivable" I would choose Imperio, but I wouldn't use it to make anyone do anything evil.
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Yes, he is scared but it is nonsensical for Draco not to identify Harry because he's afraid of Voldemort's presence. He could even get a reward for doing so.

For me, he didn't do it because he hated Voldemort more than he hated Harry. I mean look what happen to their family - the disgrace, the torture. I guess at one point in time he want Harry Potter to kill Voldemort. And he is not really evil by heart towards Harry Potter, I guess it was just driven out of jealousy or something like that.

About the diadem, I guess he chased HP because he was reminded again of Voldemort's wrath.
I think Draco has always had a disdain towards Harry, whether it was motivated by jealous or the very fact that when they first met, Harry blatantly rejected Draco's offer of friendship thus pitting the two as enemies. If you're on the evil side, by virtue you cannot be friends with those on the good side. Snape and Lily's relationship is the perfect example of this division. The two of them being on opposite sides outlines the very nature of good vs. evil throughout the whole novel. Their relationship carries this theme and it's really quite interesting when Draco ambiguously identifies Harry while at the manor. I think what Rowling likes to do is play with good and evil and juxtaposes them around; this point in time, there is a glimmer of goodness in Draco when he hesitates, and I really do think it's largely out of fear of Voldemort; there is such reluctance on his part to identify Ron and Hermoine with certainty. Draco is filled, I think, with such fear of Voldemort and his dark ways. Even at one point, he has his back to the three of them, and refuses to acknowledge that his peers are prisoners in his own home; he seeems to seek comfort with his mother at this point. This to me, suggests that Draco is afraid of the consequences of handing the fight over to Voldemort entirely. Draco has always been quite the coward, and having been subjected to the ways of Voldemort, it really reinforces Draco's fear and cowardice.


Edit: what does everyone else think?
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I think you have a very good point there Lola.
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and I really do think it's largely out of fear of Voldemort
As to the assumption that Draco is evil in nature, I don't know or if it just me but your post doesn't answer the question: why Draco is afraid in handing Harry Potter to Voldemort.
is afraid of the consequences of handing the fight over to Voldemort entirely
So what are the consequences? I guess you're implying, as I have said, that Draco wanted Harry to win Voldemort, at one point in time, in any other way.
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As to the assumption that Draco is evil in nature, I don't know or if it just me but your post doesn't answer the question: why Draco is afraid in handing Harry Potter to Voldemort.
Well, to reiterate the point more blatantly, Draco is afraid to hand Harry over to Voldemort because Draco is scared. For about a year and a half now, he's been a Death Eater and has experienced some horrendous events and realizes that being a Death Eater isn't all that it's made out to be; He is a bully who had a lot of entitlement in being privileged and was quite esteemed within Voldemort's circle prior to the Malfoy's downfall. As a result, Draco is a product of his environment and so he naturally dark. However, since becoming a Death Eater he had to torture people and didn't enjoy any of that so although he is cruel, he isn't a psychopath nor sadistic like the other Death Eaters.

To answer your question, he showed reluctance to turn them in mainly out of fear. Fear for his life, fear for being around Voldemort and his wrath and punishments, fear of being tortured himself or having to partake in Ron, Hermoine and Harry's torture if he turned them in. Ever since the 6th book, Draco has been under pressure from Voldemort and lives in constant fear of everything he has witnessed as a Death Eater. Draco is not a courageous individual and he lives mainly in fear ever since he became a Death Eater.
So what are the consequences? I guess you're implying, as I have said, that Draco wanted Harry to win Voldemort, at one point in time, in any other way
I don't know if he wants Harry to win, I think what he does want is for himself and his family to be well and to live through this. He has had several opportunities to help Harry and his friends, but he fails on all attempts. He consistently goes back to the Death Eaters because, again, he's afraid of the consequences, which would probably be punishment from Voldemort and the Death Eaters. Maybe he does want Harry and his friends to prevail, I don't know. But, the way I interpret his character is one of weakness and cowardice. Perhaps he does want the good side to win, but he has no hand in the outcome whatsoever; he does nothing to help their cause.
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I agree with Lola :)

Any one have a favorite magical creature from the books? Personally, my favorites were the Owls, the Pygmy Puffs, Buckbeak, and Fawkes.
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@Lola

Thanks for the insights you had me at having to partake in Ron, Hermoine and Harry's torture if he turned them in. Thanks for being patient to answer :]

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I don't know if I can name just one but I really want to see a bogart. I mean who doesnt? I am interested what shape it will take - a dog or a teacher. ha ha
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Butterbescotch wrote:@Lola

Thanks for the insights you had me at having to partake in Ron, Hermoine and Harry's torture if he turned them in. Thanks for being patient to answer :]

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I don't know if I can name just one but I really want to see a bogart. I mean who doesnt? I am interested what shape it will take - a dog or a teacher. ha ha


That would be cool. To see a boggart. That's interesting to think about. Hmmmm.....
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