Very well said. I myself am also a Protestant Christian and sometimes I lately feel like that makes some people look at me as someone who is a judgemental asshole. The current administration has brought out the worst type of Christian, the hit you on the head with a bible type, and made that seem like the norm. I think that people are people. Yes culturally we are different, and we have different religions, lovers, ideals, but at the end of the day, we are all people.Tbunde5 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 10:33 Almost 500 years ago, the Catholic government in England burned Protestants at the stake. Once the Protestants took over the government, they began beheading Catholics. Hundreds of years of civil war all over religion.
I am a Protestant Christian. Let's say you are a Muslim. While I don't agree with your religion, it is not the basis of my feelings toward you as a person. There are plenty of Catholics, Protestants, and atheists that have committed atrocities, even in the name of religion (read up on the Crusades if you don't believe me). There are terrorists who are not Muslim (see Austin bombings) and rapists who are not Mexican. The best known serial killers were all white.
I applaud Fleisher's creation of the Khan's, as well a Qasim and Rasha. Through these characters he showed that many immigrants are just like everyone else. I don't believe you can ban someone from coming to this country solely based on religion. This entire country was founded on the principal of Freedom of Religion. It's what brought the Puritan Pilgrims here. On a boat called the Mayflower. Right after their government started burning Puritans at the stake.
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There are clearly significant numbers of dispossessed people, fleeing war and persecution, and that is their human right. Surely the US is a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention, the same as Australia? When our countries have been responsible for recent wars, then surely it is reasonable that we should assist those who can no longer live in destruction? Surely the comparative wealth of our nations means we have the responsibility and means to help those who are struggling and dying for lack of basic needs such as water, food and shelter?
I agree with comments that state we should assist our homeless and struggling people...definitely...but I also think we cannot ignore those who come to our shores seeking asylum and refuge.
How many deaths from gun violence occur every year in the US?
How many annual deaths from immigrants?
Guns are clearly the much bigger problem.
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I also applaud the author in exploring so many significant and current issues and agree with you that religion is not an appropriate basis for refusal of entry to western countries. I teach many multicultural students at a university in Sydney, Australia, and many concur that true followers of Islam understand their religion is a call to peace, living in peace, and not engaging in hate or violence of any sort. The radicalised expressions we have seen via the media are not at all the genuine heart of the religion. This should also be the same for Christianity however, as mentioned in your comment, there are also Christians who ignore the core belief of ‘love your neighbour as yourself’.Tbunde5 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 10:33 Almost 500 years ago, the Catholic government in England burned Protestants at the stake. Once the Protestants took over the government, they began beheading Catholics. Hundreds of years of civil war all over religion.
I am a Protestant Christian. Let's say you are a Muslim. While I don't agree with your religion, it is not the basis of my feelings toward you as a person. There are plenty of Catholics, Protestants, and atheists that have committed atrocities, even in the name of religion (read up on the Crusades if you don't believe me). There are terrorists who are not Muslim (see Austin bombings) and rapists who are not Mexican. The best known serial killers were all white.
I applaud Fleisher's creation of the Khan's, as well a Qasim and Rasha. Through these characters he showed that many immigrants are just like everyone else. I don't believe you can ban someone from coming to this country solely based on religion. This entire country was founded on the principal of Freedom of Religion. It's what brought the Puritan Pilgrims here. On a boat called the Mayflower. Right after their government started burning Puritans at the stake.
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I was very interested in your post. I agree, having our own issues should not cause us not to help others. It seems that we cause many of and ignore many of our own problems in America. Then when another problem arises the lame excuse continues... It is deflection, a negative coping mechanism used by people who like to procrastinate and not take responsibility for their actions or inactions. Politics are really getting bogus when we have such a substantial homeless population and plenty of empty homes! The world definitely needs a good change. many for that matter.khusnick wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 17:06 Immigration is honestly the least of our problems. It's pushed to seem super important, but most people have not and never will be harmed or affected by an immigrant in a negative way.
The homeless issue expressed above is entirely separate. We have a ridiculous amount of empty houses and apartments across the country. They're sitting, falling apart, with no one living inside them. There will probably never be anyone living inside them again. The affordability of housing and assistance programs in getting homeless people back into actual homes are something we need to work on, yes, but that has no relation to immigration. There's no reason we can't do both.
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I totally agree. I think our current administration is focused on immigration because it is something they can use to distract from the real problems that they do not want to deal with, like guns. I think also that the homeless is a separate issue from immigration but even if it was not I agree with you that it would still be important to help those needing to come in.R-g-R wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 18:33 I enjoyed reading the multicultural characters’ perspectives and thoughts, and appreciated the way they were welcomed and included.
There are clearly significant numbers of dispossessed people, fleeing war and persecution, and that is their human right. Surely the US is a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention, the same as Australia? When our countries have been responsible for recent wars, then surely it is reasonable that we should assist those who can no longer live in destruction? Surely the comparative wealth of our nations means we have the responsibility and means to help those who are struggling and dying for lack of basic needs such as water, food and shelter?
I agree with comments that state we should assist our homeless and struggling people...definitely...but I also think we cannot ignore those who come to our shores seeking asylum and refuge.
How many deaths from gun violence occur every year in the US?
How many annual deaths from immigrants?
Guns are clearly the much bigger problem.
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Muslims are not the only immigrants having issues getting into this country but I understand what you mean. I have no idea why people would think anyone who is a law-abiding person has any less of a right to be here than anyone else.
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We are lucky to live here. It is not a perfect country, but most of us are here because of these words. Keep talking, all of you. Some folks have soft voices, some like me, a bit louder, but all of us together can get really loud and that is what it is going to take. I think we all want the same thing, change. Change for the better. I appreciate with volatile subjects the respect shown here with the many diverse opinions. It's refreshing. No matter our differences, if we quit spewing hate and just communicate with each other we will get better.
We do need to make some changes, but I would never want to just block all immigration either. I always try to think of the statue of liberty.
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc.
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The other big problem is the employment issue. I don't know the rate of unemployment in the US, but a nation has to give priority to its own citizens over those of other countries. I'm from Argentina, and right now we have a high level of unemployment accompanied by a significant migratory flow from Venezuela. Local companies usually take foreigners because they accept jobs for a lower salary, harming the citizens of my country.
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While I agree our people need help too, I think it is the corrupt politicians pitting us against homeless, terrified refugees that have all the money necessary to take care of both problems. Let's empty their pockets before we close our borders. Only then would I even consider telling starving children they can't find safety in our country.sepicatt wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 06:57 Ok, loaded topic here. But I will say my view is to currently not allow immigration right now. We have enough children and people who are homeless and need assistance that already live here (regardless of whether legal or illegal- they are here). Take care of them first. For example, there were currently 25,000 homeless children in NYC right before winter approached. Put your resources into taking care of them. Once you solve that problem then re-evaluate immigration. It's like going to help and spend your money on the neighborhood when your own house and family are falling apart but you aren't taking care of it.
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