What did Cynthia facing constant danger do for the book?

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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 13:27
Melissa Breen wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 12:31 Empathy fatigue is such a great phrase!!!
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 09:58

A lot of readers experiencesEmpathy fatigue. When you just get tired of routing for the protagonist and eant them dead, mainly because they keep putting themselves in dangerous situations.
The feeling that routing for your character has somehow gone to their heads and they'vedecided to keep making the reckless decisions.
Can the characters stop? I had more sympathy for Bella from Twilight than I do for Cynthia at this point.
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Nisha Ward wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 14:05
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 13:27
Melissa Breen wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 12:31 Empathy fatigue is such a great phrase!!!
The feeling that routing for your character has somehow gone to their heads and they'vedecided to keep making the reckless decisions.
Can the characters stop? I had more sympathy for Bella from Twilight than I do for Cynthia at this point.
Funny, considering how vastly different the two are, No one is surprised by this.
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Melissa Breen wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 12:31 Empathy fatigue is such a great phrase!!!
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 09:58
Melissa Breen wrote: 23 Jun 2019, 19:26 I think it was a bit much, while it could have worked as a way to keep the reader on their toes, I don't think it was pulled off that way and just got a bit annoying
A lot of readers experiencesEmpathy fatigue. When you just get tired of routing for the protagonist and eant them dead, mainly because they keep putting themselves in dangerous situations.
And...I am certain every reader has encountered once or twice in their reading (before this particular book.)
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sarahmarlowe wrote: 01 Jun 2019, 19:31
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 01 Jun 2019, 09:04 Did you feel that a protagonist who seemed to be in ever present danger and just barely survived was good for the book? Did she make the story more thrilling?
I didn't like Cynthia as a protagonist from early in the book. I found her dimwitted about her surroundings, getting herself into danger as much as having danger find her. For example, when she meets Sky, she trusts him enough to give him the make, model, and tag number of her unlocked, keys-in-it car? Good grief. And then she is happy that "his friend" has taken care of it? She's not my definition of a strong female character. Or strong any kind of character. I don't think she made the story thrilling, more like frustrating.
I completely agree! Cynthia irritated me from the get-go because of her lack of common sense. Why would anyone go to a stranger's house after just meeting him? Sky seemed like he was the domineering type, and Cynthia quickly fell under his spell. I do feel that female protagonist should have included someone with common sense and a backbone, especially considering her job.

I agree with the both of you! Cynthia was supposedly the best head of security, but did little to protect herself in any of these situations. Even though she checked the senator's office for bugs and is constantly being told about tracking devices in vehicles and other top tech gear as part of the cyber war, she is completely clueless that someone might have done this to her. Also, the part you said about giving a stranger all of her information and going to his house right away sounds completely ridiculous.
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tristenb wrote: 25 Jun 2019, 08:00
Stephanie Elizabeth wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 07:53
sarahmarlowe wrote: 01 Jun 2019, 19:31

I didn't like Cynthia as a protagonist from early in the book. I found her dimwitted about her surroundings, getting herself into danger as much as having danger find her. For example, when she meets Sky, she trusts him enough to give him the make, model, and tag number of her unlocked, keys-in-it car? Good grief. And then she is happy that "his friend" has taken care of it? She's not my definition of a strong female character. Or strong any kind of character. I don't think she made the story thrilling, more like frustrating.
I completely agree! Cynthia irritated me from the get-go because of her lack of common sense. Why would anyone go to a stranger's house after just meeting him? Sky seemed like he was the domineering type, and Cynthia quickly fell under his spell. I do feel that female protagonist should have included someone with common sense and a backbone, especially considering her job.

I agree with the both of you! Cynthia was supposedly the best head of security, but did little to protect herself in any of these situations. Even though she checked the senator's office for bugs and is constantly being told about tracking devices in vehicles and other top tech gear as part of the cyber war, she is completely clueless that someone might have done this to her. Also, the part you said about giving a stranger all of her information and going to his house right away sounds completely ridiculous.
It is ridiculous from an intellectual standpoint and also considering the counterintelligence work they were doing.
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tristenb wrote: 25 Jun 2019, 08:00
Stephanie Elizabeth wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 07:53
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I didn't like Cynthia as a protagonist from early in the book. I found her dimwitted about her surroundings, getting herself into danger as much as having danger find her. For example, when she meets Sky, she trusts him enough to give him the make, model, and tag number of her unlocked, keys-in-it car? Good grief. And then she is happy that "his friend" has taken care of it? She's not my definition of a strong female character. Or strong any kind of character. I don't think she made the story thrilling, more like frustrating.
I completely agree! Cynthia irritated me from the get-go because of her lack of common sense. Why would anyone go to a stranger's house after just meeting him? Sky seemed like he was the domineering type, and Cynthia quickly fell under his spell. I do feel that female protagonist should have included someone with common sense and a backbone, especially considering her job.

I agree with the both of you! Cynthia was supposedly the best head of security, but did little to protect herself in any of these situations. Even though she checked the senator's office for bugs and is constantly being told about tracking devices in vehicles and other top tech gear as part of the cyber war, she is completely clueless that someone might have done this to her. Also, the part you said about giving a stranger all of her information and going to his house right away sounds completely ridiculous.
More so ridiculous after reading her credentials and skill level.
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Nisha Ward wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 14:05
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 13:27
Melissa Breen wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 12:31 Empathy fatigue is such a great phrase!!!
The feeling that routing for your character has somehow gone to their heads and they'vedecided to keep making the reckless decisions.
Can the characters stop? I had more sympathy for Bella from Twilight than I do for Cynthia at this point.
Why would you need sympathy for Bella?
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 22 Jun 2019, 16:34
jessinikkip wrote: 21 Jun 2019, 00:54 Any good book is a series of ups and downs. The characters need to face danger and then enjoy a calm before facing danger again. A character who always faces danger, to me, is a poorly written character.
It felt like Cynthia recklessly put herself in dangerous situations only to somehow survive them , then place herself into the next one.
This dampened more of my plummetting mood considering the qualifications and experience the author crowned her with.
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 01 Jun 2019, 09:04 Did you feel that a protagonist who seemed to be in ever present danger and just barely survived was good for the book? Did she make the story more thrilling?
Cynthia character is the perfect definition of 'common sense is not common at all'. Are character was frustrating and not very realistic!
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 26 Jun 2019, 06:16
Nisha Ward wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 14:05
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 13:27
The feeling that routing for your character has somehow gone to their heads and they'vedecided to keep making the reckless decisions.
Can the characters stop? I had more sympathy for Bella from Twilight than I do for Cynthia at this point.
Why would you need sympathy for Bella?
As a child it's easier to relate to bland characters.
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Cynthia facing constant danger was a big boost for suspense in the novel. Yes, she made certain wrong moves and I was always inquisitive on learning what was going to next happen to her.
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Nisha Ward wrote: 26 Jun 2019, 10:44
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 26 Jun 2019, 06:16
Nisha Ward wrote: 24 Jun 2019, 14:05

Can the characters stop? I had more sympathy for Bella from Twilight than I do for Cynthia at this point.
Why would you need sympathy for Bella?
As a child it's easier to relate to bland characters.
I can't argue with that.
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Lucas Kalinic wrote: 26 Jun 2019, 11:41 Cynthia facing constant danger was a big boost for suspense in the novel. Yes, she made certain wrong moves and I was always inquisitive on learning what was going to next happen to her.
Normally, I would agree with you , but I found such a huge divide between what Cynthia did during the book and what her credentials (and probably her character profile)stipulated.
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 26 Jun 2019, 12:24
Lucas Kalinic wrote: 26 Jun 2019, 11:41 Cynthia facing constant danger was a big boost for suspense in the novel. Yes, she made certain wrong moves and I was always inquisitive on learning what was going to next happen to her.
Normally, I would agree with you , but I found such a huge divide between what Cynthia did during the book and what her credentials (and probably her character profile)stipulated.
Placing herself in precarious positions from the beginning of the book, although made to build on the suspense, became tedious after a while. I believe someone in this discussion coined the term "Empathy fatigue" perfectly for her situation.
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Lucas Kalinic wrote: 26 Jun 2019, 11:41 Cynthia facing constant danger was a big boost for suspense in the novel. Yes, she made certain wrong moves and I was always inquisitive on learning what was going to next happen to her.
Did it though? I mean, it was kind of predictable for a while there.
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